„Stefan Nemanja has its origins from the Roman king Constantine I“
Linguistics and the new chronology
by Rados Bakic
Stefan Nemanja (St. Simeon)
This is the origin of Stefan Nemanја (his monastic name – St. Simeon), the founder of the medieval Serbian state, the father of the first Serbian king Stefan Prvovencani and his brother St. Sava (which was the first Serbian archbishop). Thus, it is the central person of Serbian history. Talking about the origin of Stefan Nemanja author refers to dozens of old documents, which provide information that Stefan Nemanja has its origins from the Roman king Constantine I, as with the fourth or fifth generation of his descendants (in the documents, there is a discrepancy as to whether he was a descendant of the sisters or daughters of the king Constantine I).
For example, the text of the ancestry of Hadji-Jordan: „The pedigree of the land lords Tribaloi, that is, Serbian (! RB), as will be seen, starting with St. Simeon … St. Simeon was the father of Tehomil, which has its origin from St. Constantine the Great.
Emperor Licinius
Tehomil (ie Tehomila – RB) was the father of Bela Uros (ie Bela Uroš – RB), and has a son Uroš tormentors Licinius, the sister of the king of St. Constantine. “ Given that Stefan Nemanja died in 1200, above the text is manifestly contrary to official history, but very consistent with the brief chronology Nosovskii and Fomenko. As previously mentioned, this lineage appears to have a dozen of old documents (see / 4 /). Recall that Constantine 1 was born in Nis, one of the largest cities in today’s Serbia. Professor Novakovic also leads several papers on the origin of Stefan Nemanja (whose number is less than the number of these documents) that do not contradict directly any official timeline or chronology of Fomenko.
(translated from Russian)
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The Muslims of Serbian race in Bosnia
THE EASTERN SHORES OF THE ADRIATIC IN 1863.
WITH A VISIT TO MONTENEGRO.
LONDON :
RICHARD BENTLEY,
PUBLISHER IN ORDINARY TO HER MAJESTY.
1864.
(…)
The Turks got up the quarrel at Belgrade in order to kill off the Christians. The Servians got it up themselves.
The Turks bombarded the town in a panic. They bombarded it because they had orders from Constantinople. They bombarded it because it’s their
nature to. The Mussulmans of Servian race in Bosnia, a million of men more or less, are the haughtiest and most fanatical of European Moslems. …
Historical review of Bosnia
Evans, Arthur J
Through Bosnia and the Herzegovina on foot during the insurrections, August and September 1875
With an historical review of Bosnia
. . .
HISTORICAL REVIEW OF BOSNIA. XXV
with the exception of the barren corner called the Kraina, or Turkish Croatia, the whole of what is now known as Bosnia, with which we have particularly to deal, belongs to the Serbian branch of the Sclaves.
For long the history of what later became the Bosnian kingdom is indistinguishable from that of the rest of the Serbs.
The whole Illyrian triangle was divided into a great number of small independent districts, somewhat answering to the Teutonic ‘ Gaus,“ called Zupy. Zupa means ‘ bond ‘ or confederation, and each Zupa was simply a confederation of village communities, whose union was represented by a magistrate or governor, called a zupan. The Zupans in turn seem to have chosen a Grand-Zupan, who may be looked on as the President of the Serbian Federation.
We know little about the earlyZupanships of the Bosnian area, but a few of the petty commonwealths of the Serbian coastland, and what later on became the Herzegovina, are mentioned by the Byzantine Emperor Constantine Porphyrogenitus, who wrote about 950, and the names and situation of some in the Bosnian interior may begathered from ecclesiastical diplomas. Here and there we read of a ‘ Ban ‘ (translated, in Diocleas, by the Latin word ‘ Dux ‘), who was rather higher than an ordinary Zupan.
These Serbian ‘ Archons,’ as the Byzantine historians speak of them, acknowledged the suzerainty of the Eastern Empire, and even, in some cases (though doubtless to a less extent than the Croats), accepted Byzantine dignities. Thus a Ban of Zachlumia accepted the titles of Proconsul and Patrician. Later on, when Czar Simeon erected the new Bulgarian Empire, Serbia was forced for a while to bow to the dominion of the conqueror of Leo Phocas. In the tenth century the Serbs shake off the Bulgarian yoke, and we now begin to hear of four Grrand-Zupans, whose jurisdictions answer to Serbia proper, Rascia, Dioclea, and Bosnia.
The power of the lesser Zupans was during this period being diminished for the benefit of these greater potentates, who in Bosnia are generally known as Bans.
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By the beginning of the twelfth century the Bogomilian heresy had struck such firm root in Bosnia as to rouse the faithful sons of the Church in Hungary and Dalmatia to armed opposition, insomuch that in 1138 Bela II. was induced to make an incursion against the ‘ Patarenes,’ in the country between the Cetina and Narenta.
It was not, however, till the end of this century that the progress of heresy in other parts turned the Pope’s serious attention to the fountain-head of the ‘Bulgarian heresy,’ then undoubtedly his Illyrian province.
Nominally, Bosnia had long belonged to the Church of Kome, which claimed Western lllyricum as an inheritance from the Western Empire. Practically, what orthodox Christianity Bosnia and the other Serbian lands possessed was of a strongly national character, and derived, not from Roman sources, but from the missionary efforts of the Sclavonic apostles, Cyril and Methodius. But the Church of Bosnia, though using the native liturgy and eschewing the Latin language, acknowledged some allegiance to Rome, and the bishops of Bosnia recognized the Archbishop of Salona as their metropolitan.
In the year 1180 Culin himself is still considered a dutiful son of the Church. But a few years later Culin ‘ has degenerated from himself ‘ and fallen into heresy, and together with his wife and his sister, the widow of the Count of Chelm, had given ear to the Patarenes, as Roman ecclesiastics begin to call the Bogomiles who have now spread their heresy into Italy and the West.
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Опис Срба кроз миленијуме
CCCC 09. novembar 2008.
Opis Srba kroz milenijume:
* Rig Veda – ancient religious Sanskrit text (3000-1500 b.c.)in book VIII., 32., 2.:
„2 Strong God, he slew Anarsani, Srbinda, Pipru, and the fiend, Ahisuva, and loosed the floods.” From all the European peoples the Serbs are the only race from the construction of the wording of their name, according to the Austrian sanskritologist Walter Wust who are composed in the Vedic hymns as the characteristic SRBINDA, in which almost letter to letter is identical to the modern form SRBENDA used by Balkan Serbs.
In the Vedic manuscripts, Wust interprets, SRBINDA as its own original to say patented name with a predetermined meaning. Which is in complete harmony to thinking of today’s SRBENDA expression in Serbs, because Srbenda is always the best, the most respected, most brave, the greatest for respecting tradition: in short a man who is used and shown as an example to others.
* Herodotus (11,6) (5th century BC), and Diodor from Sicily (1,30) mention the lake named Serbonis (Σερβυνιδοζ) in lower Egypt. However taking the large distances into the account it is highly unlikely that today’s Serbs have anything to do with that particular toponym.
* Strabo (63 – 19 BC): „the river Kanthos/Skamandros is called Sirbis (Sirbika) by the natives.” ( Strabonis rerum geographicarum libri septendicini, Basileza 1571 s. 763).
* Tacitus (ca. 50 AD): described the Serboi tribe near the Caucasus, close to the hinterland into the Black Sea. Many consider this theory as a very probable one taking some distant linguistic similarities with today’s Caucausus people’s such as Ingushi, Chechens etc.
* Pliny (69-75 AD): „beside the Cimerians live Meotics, Valians, Serbs (Serboi), Zingians, Psesians.” (Historia naturalis, VI, c. 7 & 19 Leipzig 1975). It coincides with the Tacitus’s view on Serbian ancient homeland among the Iranian peoples of the Caucasus.
* Ptolemy (150 AD): „between the Keraunian mountains and the river Pa, live the Orineians, Valians and Serbs.” (Geographia V, s. 9). Ptolemy also mention the city in Pannonia named Serbinum (present day GradiÅ¡ka in Republika Srpska, Bosnia and Herzegovina). This well known ancient scientist one more time points out to the Caucasus placing Serbs close to Black Sea riviera.
* In the third century Roman emperor Licinius referred to the Carpathians as ‘Montes Serrorum’ („Serb mountains”). This also sounds reasonable taking that South Carpathians end in Eastern Serbia, colliding with the Balkan Mountains.
http://historymedren.about.com/library/atlas/natmapeur814.htm
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The Serbs are an extremely democratic people, more so than the English, Americans, or any other people
THE SERVIANS AND AUSTRIA
BY
G. M. TREVELYAN
Printed for THE VICTORIA LEAGUE,
It is because Servia is only one part of the great South Slav race, which is found in the provinces of Bosnia, Herzegovina, Croatia, Slavonia, and Dalmatia.
The typical Servian peasant or soldier (who are one and the same) is a fine, upstanding type of humanity, who looks you in the face as an equal. They are also a very pleasant and kindly people, as indeed are most of the inhabitants of the Balkans when they are not engaged in racial war. The Servians have lightness and gaiety, and have been called „the French of the Balkans.“
The Servians, like everyone else, have the defects of the qualities. If they have the merit of equalitarianism, they lack leadership. They have very little in the way of an upper or even a middle class, the mercantile element being very slightly developed among them as yet. If they have the peasant’s virtues, they have his limitation of outlook.
The Servians are an extremely democratic people, more so than the English, Americans, or any other people among whom there are great distinctions of rank or of wealth.
Closely allied to the Servians are the Montenegrin mountaineers, almost identical in race and language, but more primitive and merely warlike. They will some day form part of the Greater Servia, whether by complete union or federation. In all her recent wars the Montenegrins have acted as if they were Servians.
It is said that the Archduke, murdered at Sarajevo,intended to do something to liberalise the system in these Slav provinces, when he came to the Austrian throne.
That adds another reason why we must all regret that murder in blood and tears. Whether such a scheme was not too late, whether such a reversal of Austrian policy could have been carried through by the will of one man, we shall, alas ! never know. But the Austrian assertion that the Archduke’s murder was prepared or instigated in Servia is utterly unproven and in the highest degree unlikely.
It is unproveu, for Austria had every reason to advance the proofs if she had them, and she has advanced none. It is unlikely, because Servia was engaged in various delicate negotiations at home, among other things a negotiation with Montenegro, and it is absurd to suppose that she would have chosen that moment to force on a crisis, even if she were held capable of doing so by so base a crime.
All the Macedonian converts to Muhammedan faith speak Serb language, and have preserved many of the Serb customs
MACEDONIA AND THE MACEDONIAN POPULATION.
The Serb element in the Central and Western Macedonia is mixed with other non-Slav nations — Albanians, Turks, Greeks and Arumuns.
There are also many, and distributed throughout all the countrj-, the so-called Muhadjirs (the emigrants) from Serbia, Bulgaria, Bosnia, Hertsegovina and Montenegro. Amongst the Serbs in Macedonia live also former Christians converted to Islam. Those of Kichevo call themselves Apovtsi, and those of Tikvesh call themselves Turks.
All the Macedonian converts to Muhammedan faith speak Serb language, and have preserved many of the Serb customs.
Source: Archive.org
The Muhammedan Serbs under the leadership of Hussein Bey
THE SULTAN REIGNS IN BOSNIA
Project Gutenberg’s The Birth of Yugoslavia, Volume 1, by Henry Baerlein
Title: The Birth of Yugoslavia, Volume 1
Author: Henry Baerlein
There was not in the other Southern Slav lands much consolation for the National party. In Bosnia the French Revolution and the Serbian wars of independence had an unfortunate effect, for in 1831 the Muhammedan Serbs of that province, under the leadership of Hussein Bey, the captain of Gradačac, began a holy war against the „giaour Sultan,“ because Mahmud thought it timely to promulgate a few reforms.
Hussein assumed the title of „The Dragon of Bosnia„; and if it had not been for several other Moslem potentates who were not only inimical to the Sultan but to the Dragon and to each other, it would have taken the Sultan’s army more than five years to assert itself. In 1839 the Sultan’s epresentative at Gulhane had orders to reform the administration, and this time the chief of the indignant begs was Ali Pasha Rizvanbegović, a powerful personage in Herzegovina.
The revolt was, after a good deal of bloodshed, suppressed by Omar Pasha, who was determined to break once and for all the arrogance of the Bosnian aristocracy.
Hundreds of begs were executed, drowned in the Bosna or taken in chains to Constantinople. But all these transactions did nothing to improve the lot of the raia. They had been roundly told in 1832 by His Apostolic Majesty that any one of those Christians „who persist in venturing to raise the banner of revolt“ would be sent back from the Imperial and Royal frontier. After all there was a courtesy which monarchs must maintain towards each other.
Albania, inhabited more by the Albanois, then by the Seruians (Serbs)
Morlacco 21. oktobar 2008.
Lazzaro Soranzo: „L’Ottomanno … dove si dà pieno ragguaglio della potenza del presente Signor de’ Turchi Mehemeto III. de gl’interessi, ch’egli hà con diversi prencipi, di quanto machina contra il Christianesmo … con altri particolari di stato necessarii a sapersi nella presente guerra d’Ongheria”, Ferrara, 1599.
Engleski prevod iz 1603. godine, „The Ottoman of Lazaro Soranzo”.
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1. „These Ducagini dwell in the mountains of Scadro…upon the borders of Albania, inhabitet more by the Albanians, then by the Servians..”
http://tinyurl.com/6z6tj7
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2. „…the Seruaini, being the Nation that inhabiteth in the mountaines de Albania, euen to the Danow:; among whom those are in the Dardania, and most near unto the saide Mountains, are best able to make greatest stirres. And they be the Piperi, the Cucci, the Clementi, the Bellopauligi, and Others in the Countrey of Plaua, and among them there are many Albanians that liue after the Romitsch rite.”
http://tinyurl.com/6s6h3p
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Evo detaljnijih i relevantnih tekstova:
„These Ducagini do dwell in the mountain Scardo, Note in marg: The Ducagini. at the confines of Preseremo, called in times past Parrecopoli, or Perenopoli which is in Dardania vpon the borders of Albania, inhabited more by the Albanois, then by the Seruians: Note in marg: Preseremo is not Iustendili. neyther is it that which is called Iustendil, as some doe think: for the one Cittie is distant from the other by the space of three dayes iourneyes, and yet they bee in one and the selfe same Prouince. Note in marg: Iustendil is not Instiniana the first.
They are are also greatlie deceyued in my iudgement, which are of opinion, that Iustendil is Iustiniana the first, and not the second, and that Preseremo or Iustendil, was the naturall Countrey of Iustinian the Emperour, and not O crida, which is in truth Iustiniana the first, and was called in the old time Lycbindo. Those that do dwell somewhat farre off out of the common highway, doe pay no tribute, because they are defended by the rough and craggie passage of their mountaine scituation. The mountaine is called Nero, Blacke, and so are many mountaines in Turkie, called likewise by the same name. Note in marg: Albania described.”
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„But farre aboue all others, it is most desired by the Seruiani, being a Nation that inhabiteth in the mountaines of Albania, euen to the Danow: among whom those that are in Dardania, and most neare vnto the saide Mountaines, are best able to make the greatest stirres. And they be the Piperi, the Cucci, the Clementi, the Bellopauligi, and others in the Countrey of Plaua, and among them there are many Albanians that liue after the Romish rite. And these be they, that because they haue a strong site for dwelling, and are by nature verie fierce and hardie, haue not as yet suffered themselues to bee subdued by the Turkish forces.”
The Ottoman of Lazaro Soranzo, London, 1603.
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